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October 29, 2008

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purplefinn

Excellent post Heidi. I think this needs to be stated differently: "a Democratic Party that achieves an electoral victory via the methods used to pick its nominee is not likely to be a Democratic Party that can bring the sort of changes to American politics that our country desperately needs."

It doesn't tell why it "is not likely to be a Democratic Party that can bring the sort of changes to American politics that our country desperately needs." I know you've explained "why" so well so many times. But this is not a statement that can stand alone.

Mary Lou

Thanks for all you do to raise the level and clarity of this debate, Heidi. Democracy is a process and not an endpoint or a goal. The questions are: What democratic values do we subscribe to and are we exercising them daily in our thoughts, words and actions? Using this measure, the Obama campaign has failed miserably.

democraticjack

Another illuminating post, Heidi. Now if we could lead the current Democratic party leadership to the exit rather than shoving them out the door, I think we will have consensus. Who gets to choose the means?

votermom

"the means inflect the nature of the end"
That is a great point.
I can't think of a good quote to encapsulate it but maybe "The child is father to the man." or, from Joss Whedon (via Darla on Angel):
“You really think that safety can be plucked from the arms of an evil deed?”

kavala007

Bravo Heidi. I do believe that the way the Democratic Party is behaving now will be the way it behaves in the future. Nancy Pelosi said that Democrats would use any means to win and she meant it. There is no honor or any understanding of democracy in the current Democratic party.

myiq2xu

It's karma.

If you obtain something improperly - by lying, cheating or stealing, it will be tainted.

It doesn't matter if you are talking about power or property, nor does it matter whether you are the only one who knows what you did.

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