Candidate Barak Obama had no problem throwing people under the proverbial bus (vide his own pastor of 20 years, Reverend Jeremiah Wright). President-Elect Obama seems eager to take on board as many men who millions of women object to - even if they voted for Mr. Obama in the general election. President Obama's ongoing refusal to even discuss why Jon Favreau should have no place in an Obama administration gives the lie to his claims about the importance of including those who disagree with him in conversation with the President-Elect.
That inclusiveness extends now to Rick Warren, a virulent opponent of women's reproductive rights and a notorious homophobe. During the primary season, I was among those who noted that then-Senator Obama's commitment to women's reproductive rights appeared less than stalwart; I have also noted that by any definition of progressivism GBLT issues, Mr. Obama was no progressive.
Many writers more eloquent than I are now focused on Rick Warren's views on gays and lesbians. So, here I though I would just share some clips from interviews or dialogues in which Rick Warren participated. They reflect, upon other matters, Mr. Warren's views on women, their reproductive rights, women who exercise those writes, and his own understanding of his relationship with President-Elect Obama. In some cases, the President-Elect has explicitly disagreed with Warren's views, in others not.
From the
transcript of the Saddleback Presidential Forum, Aired August 16, 2008 - 20:00 ET THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. (Transcript from CNN, Anchor John King’s opening cut) (emphases added)
PASTOR RICK WARREN, SADDLEBACK CHURCH: Welcome to the Saddleback Civil
Forum on the Presidency. I guess you got my invitation. We’re here in
Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California. Tonight, we’re going to
use the interview format with these two candidates. We believe in the
separation of church and state, but we do not believe in the separation
of faith and politics, because faith is just a world view, and
everybody has some kind of world view. It’s important to know what they
are.
[...]
OBAMA: I love the ministries that are taking place here at
Saddleback. This is the second time I have been here. The first time we
had a wonderful time. Excluding you of course –
WARREN: And your wife.
OBAMA: I was going to say — you know, there are so many people that
are constantly helping to shape my views and my opinions. You mentioned
one person I’d be listening to, and that’s Michelle, my wife, who is
not only wise, but she’s honest. And one of the things you need, I
think, any leader needs is somebody who can get up in your face and say
boy, you really screwed that one up. You really blew that.
WARREN: Your wife’s like that, too?
WARREN: Everybody’s got a world view, a Buddhist, a Baptist, a
secularist, an atheist, everybody’s got a world view. ...
The first one is Christianity. Now, you’ve made no doubts about your
faith in Jesus Christ. What does that mean to you? What does it mean to
you to trust in Christ? And what does that mean to you on a daily
basis? What does that really look like?
[...]
WARREN: Yes. Let’s go through the tough ones. Now, the most –
OBAMA: I thought that was pretty tough. [referring to the question about about what Obama's faith in Jesus Christ means to him, particularly on a daily basis]
WARREN: That was a freebie. That was a gimme. That was a gimme, OK?
Now, let’s deal with abortion; 40 million abortions since Roe v. Wade.
As a pastor, I have to deal with this all of the time, all of the pain
and all of the conflicts. I know this is a very complex issue. Forty
million abortions, at what point does a baby get human rights, in your
view?
From The Christian Post, December 17, 2008 (emphases added)
Attempting only to make abortions “rare” is not much different than saving some of the Jews during the Holocaust when all could be saved, according to megachurch pastor Rick Warren.
“Of course I want to reduce the number of abortions,” Warren told Beliefnet Editor-in-Chief Steven Waldman when asked if he was going to work with the Obama administration to achieve an abortion reduction agenda or if he thinks that the effort is a charade.
“But to me it is kind of a charade in that people say ‘We believe abortions should be safe and rare,’” he added.
[Warren} “Don’t tell me it [abortion] should be rare. That’s like saying on the Holocaust, ‘Well, maybe we could save 20 percent of the Jewish people in Poland and Germany and get them out and we should be satisfied with that,’” Warren said. “I’m not satisfied with that. I want the Holocaust ended.
[Interviewer] The Democrats recently added language to their party platform that they say is aimed at reducing demand for abortion. Does it represent a significant step toward a pro-life position?
[Warren} It is a step, there's no doubt about that. I've been getting a lot of feedback on it. I was out of the country, and people starting writing me about it. The general perception was: too little too late--window dressing. I'm not saying I would say this, because I haven't even read it, but what I was hearing form people was that [Democrats] were saying "It's OK to be pro-life and be a Democrat now." In other words, "You can join us. We're not changing our firm commitment to Roe v. Wade, but you can now join us." Well, for a person who thinks that abortion is taking a life, I'm sure that's not going to be very satisfactory to most of those people. And to put it in right at the last minute at the end of a campaign, there was some question about that: Why are they doing this?
[Interviewer] When you asked Obama about when life begins, he punted, saying "It’s above my pay grade." Should someone running for the highest office in the land have a clear answer to that, or is that kind of ambivalence acceptable?
[Warren} No. I think he needed to be more specific on that. I happen to disagree with Barack on that. Like I said, he's a friend. But to me, I would not want to die and get before God one day and go, "Oh, sorry, I didn't take the time to figure out" because if I was wrong, then it had severe implications for my leadership if I had the ability to do something about it. He should either say, "No, scientifically, I do not believe it's a human being until X" or whatever it is or say, "Yes, I believe it is a human being at X point," whether it's conception or anything else. But to just say "I don't know" on the most divisive issue in America is not a clear enough answer for me.
That's why to say that evangelicals are a monolith is a myth, but the other thing is that you've been hearing a lot of the press talk about "Well, evangelicals are changing, they're now interested in poverty and disease and illiteracy, and all the stuff I've been talking about for five years now." And I have been seeding that into the evangelical movement and it's getting picked up, and a lot of people are talking about doing humanitarian efforts.
But I really think it's wishful thinking by a lot of people who think [evangelicals] are going to drop the other issues. They're not leaving pro-life, I'm just trying to expand the agenda. And I've moved from pro-life to whole life, which means I don't just care about that baby girl before she's born, I care about it after she's born. I care about whether she's born into poverty. I care about whether she's born with AIDS because her mother had it. I care about whether she's a crack baby. I care about whether she's going to have an education.
If an evangelical really believes that the Bible is literal—in other word in Psalm 139 God says "I formed you in your mother's womb and before you were born I planned every day of your life," if they believe that's literally true, then they can't just walk away from that. They can add other issues, but they can't walk away from the belief that at conception God planned that child and to abort it would be to short circuit the purpose.
[Interviewer] It sounds like it would be unconscionable for an evangelical to vote for a pro-choice candidate like Obama.
[Warren} All I can say is you’ll see what happens. This is why there's a difference between simply talking the lingo….After the 2004 election the Democratic pundits were saying, "The Democrats lost in '04 because they didn't talk the language of faith." And actually that's kind of, not paternalistic, but it's talking down. It's basically saying, "If you just get the right words, then they'll think you’ve got the lingo." And just because a person can say God and Jesus and salvation and whatever doesn't mean they have a worldview. And people want to know what do they believe, not just their personal faith. It's just like how many different beliefs do Jews and Christians have and still call themselves Christians or Jews? It's all over the spectrum.